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Saturday, March 27, 2010

Isn't it ironic ..don't you think?

Please have some patience while reading this for you'll find it useful.

This photo is so self explanatory but pretty much Ironic eh?

 Mr. Smarty J. Pants here is not the first to insult our minds in this manner.

However , Some materialists do act with more common sense on this subject.

The British Materialist H. P. Lipson accepts the truth of creation, albeit "unpleasantly", when he says:

"If living matter is not, then caused by the interplay of atoms, natural forces,and radiation, how has it come into being?…I think, however, that we must…admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it." (source: H. P. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution", Physics Bulletin, vol. 138, 1980, p.138).

Lets examine Mr. Smarty J. Pants's theory a little closer. I would like to ask him : What are the chances that this harmonious universe came into existence with this predetermined design by coincidence?

Coincidence is a mathematical term and the possibility of an event's occurrence can be calculated using the mathematics of probability. Let's do so. Taking the physical variables into account, what is the likelihood of a universe giving us life coming into existence by coincidence? One in billions of billions? Or trillions of trillions of trillions? Or more?

Roger Penrose, a famous British mathematician, wondered about this question and tried to calculate the probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the probability of this environment occurring among all the possible results of the Big Bang.

According to Penrose, the odds against such an occurrence were on the order of 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 123 to 1.

It is hard even to imagine what this number means. In math, the value 10 to the power of 123 means 1 followed by 123 zeros. (This is, by the way, more than the total number of atoms 1078 believed to exist in the whole universe.) But Penrose's answer is vastly more than this: It requires 1 followed by 10 to the power of 123 zeros.

Or consider: 10 to the power of 3 means 1,000, a thousand. 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 3 is a number that  has 1 followed by 1000 zeros. If there are six zeros, it's called a million; if nine, a billion;  if twelve, a trillion and so on.

There is not even a name for a number that has 1 followed by 10 to the power of 123 zeros!.

In practical terms, in mathematics, a probability of 1 in 10 to the power of 50 means "zero probability". Penrose's number is more than trillion trillion trillion times less than that. In short, Penrose's number tells us that the 'accidental" or "coincidental" creation of our universe is an impossibility.

Concerning this mind-boggling number Roger Penrose comments:
"This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 10 to the power of 123  . This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10 to the power of 123 successive 0's. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figures needed."
(source: Roger Penrose, The Emperor's New Mind,1989; Michael Denton, Nature's Destiny, The New York: The Free Press, 1998, p. 9).

Finally :

Here is a picture  that sums up all the headache mentioned above :

So ...? What do you think?  Is there a chance?

Till the next time ...c ya


N.Magdy said...

The numbers are astounding.... I'm speechless!!

TheSphere said...

Dr. Noha is the best follower ever : ) ...

Hey Dr. tell you friends about my blog ; ).

TheSphere said...

Dr. Noha , I need educated people like you to follow , cuz some of the people I know said that my posts are hard to understand..

So, I don't know whether or not my posts will benefit all since some of them don't even know what I'm talking about ...

It's disturbing cuz I dedticate so much time for writing posts while I have ALOT of other studying to do regarging my career ...

Do you think it's worth it to go on?

Grettel- said...


I am not the smartest one on your Blog. I am sure of that. Cause I need to read the texts also 5 times before understanding them.

But I do read them 5 times. I want to grasp what you mean. Expending my world includes listening to your words (and comments of others on these words of course).

Keep up this work. Maybe one day I will understand all. :) Until then, I keep reading what you write and listen what you tell me.

And now tell me. You disproved chances. Please prove to me what happened then in stead of the Big Bang. Keep in mind I am not Muslim (yet). :)

N.Magdy said...

Ahmed what you are doing here is pure excellent scientific and academic research. You have analysed things here that I'm sure some of (at least) has not been investigated like that before. That is why I was saying (and still am) that you MUST publish these findings as papers in an academic or scientific journal. This way it will definitely be an addition to your career because a person's publications are an essential part of their CV (especially abroad). I can only imagine how much time, effort and sweat you put into this and that is why I want you to benefit from it properly (because someone else will take your findings and do so if you don't, have no doubt!). Your posts are so enlightning with great style and knowledge. Please think about publishing. I'm positive you can do it along with your studies. Hope to see more exceptional work Ahmed :)

Grettel- said...

I don't believe the Big Bang theory. But I don't believe in a God either. And I do believe in chances and miracles. :) Try to get a hold on that. ;)

Dear friend. I am looking very forward in knowing finally the existence of this world. But I am confused.

"btw, This post doesn't not refute the Big Bang theory - or I can say The big bang "fact" with confidence - at all."

--> doesn't not refute means it does refute the Big Bang Theory. :) Think about that for a moment. ;)

(The annoying teacher) Grettel-

N.Magdy said...

P.S. the reason why your writings seem difficult for some people sometimes is that they are written in academic scientific style, (which proves my point before :) ) not slang or informal English. As one of your visitors said earlier they are very enjoyable to read :)

TheSphere said...

@Dr. Noha

Thank you again , I will consider what you said.

TheSphere said...

@Grettel : I will explain the various theories tryng to explain how this universe came into existence.BTW , My post doesn't refute the Big Bang , I consider The Bing Bang a fact not a theory and will prove that in later posts.

Thanks for your support.

N.Magdy said...

Gretel, away from any scientific proof which I'm sure Ahmed will provide lots of here, just the presence of love, goodness and ethics inside us is the greatest proof that these were put inside our souls by someone who had these qualities before all creation .. the mighty Lord. I'm not talking about natural survival instincts like eating, drinking etc....Can biological chances create such humane characteristics and feelings in a species??

TheSphere said...

@Dr. Noha ,

You've "hit the nail on the head" ,

The real being is the soul. Matter consists merely of perceptions viewed by the soul. The intelligent beings that write and read these lines are not each a heap of atoms and molecules and the chemical reactions between them, but a "soul."

Grettel- said...

You don't think love, goodness and ethics have natural causes my friend? :) Look at the world of the animals. They have more survival skills then we will ever find back in ourselves. Eating drinking, going toilet, reproduction of little animals, ...

But what about the animals who find a little baby animal (or human). Who see his helplessness. Who adopt with love and goodness.

I don't buy it there was a God who put this qualities in us. Why not? Easy. Why would God have put those in me. Knowing I don't believe in him. Or are you saying I am a bad person? Bush believes in God. (= Same God for Christians as for Muslims). He is therefor a good person with love, goodness, ethics, ... ?

And wasn't it the same God who made Adam and Eve (Hawwa). Did he on purpose bad things in us? Then why was he angry with Adam and Eve when they ate from the forbidden fruit. He had to know they would do that. He made them to do that.

I really like some good explanation for beginning of universe. I am waiting patiently for it. :)

I know I can't use those expensive words you all use. But I hope you understand what I mean to say.

TheSphere said...

Hmmm , Grittel , since you "really like some good explanation for beginning of the universe" then I shall start with that , THEN I shall post in response to your last comment, which I have so much to say about it : )

Grettel- said...

Hihihihi. Ok do that. :) But watch out. I know the story from Adam and Eve by heart ;)

N.Magdy said...

Grettel, while this is not a religious debate or blog please allow me this once to talk about religious beliefs. God has no discrimination, he loves all human beings and gave all of them a pure soul at birth, not just some who he knows will turn out to be his followers. However he also gave the humans "free will" to choose to do the right or wrong... he DIDN'T put the wrong inside them. He showed Adam and Eve the correct way and told them not to do the bad but did not FORCE them, he gave them the choice.. they chose to disobey by themselves. Despite all that, he remained loving them just as he continues to love us despite the wrong we do in our lives, and he continues to encourage us to take the right path till we die.
Hence Bush essentially believes in God as an existence but chose to disregard him in action. Animals have compassion because God put it inside them. God loves you and is waiting for you to believe in him till the day you die, even if you do not now... that is why you were born with goodness in your soul too, so you are definitely a good person.
No atomic arrangement like Ahmed said can put feelings in the soul of any being.

N.Magdy said...

Grettel, while this is not a religious debate or blog please allow me this once to talk about religious beliefs. God has no discrimination, he loves all human beings and gave all of them a pure soul at birth, not just some who he knows will turn out to be his followers. However he also gave the humans "free will" to choose to do the right or wrong... he DIDN'T put the wrong inside them. He showed Adam and Eve the correct way and told them not to do the bad but did not FORCE them, he gave them the choice.. they chose to disobey by themselves. Despite all that, he remained loving them just as he continues to love us despite the wrong we do in our lives, and he continues to encourage us to take the right path till we die.
Hence Bush essentially believes in God as an existence but chose to disregard him in action. Animals have compassion because God put it inside them. God loves you and is waiting for you to believe in him till the day you die, even if you do not now... that is why you were born with goodness in your soul too, so you are definitely a good person.
No atomic arrangement like Ahmed said can put feelings in the soul of any being.

N.Magdy said...

Sorry for double posting

P.S. animals don't have conscience (sense of right and wrong). Can chance give conscience ??

Grettel- said...

I know animals don't have conscience. :) Only human beings have it. And it starts to develop at age of 6 years old.
That's what they told me at school.
Can chance give conscience? No I don't think it can. But a flower or tree that grows in nature. It just grows. It doesn't need chance or guidance from a God. It needs nature.

But I am wrong. I teach children with special needs. And chance makes some children not to develop conscience. Chance makes some children have disabilities. Chances make people hurt. Makes people different then others. Not by choice. By coincidences...

For religion...

Ok so assume you are right. Are you Christian? You believe Satan is a fallen angel? Did God forget to put in good in Satan also? No he didn't forget. He must have known this angel was no good. Why he let this angel come close to Adam and Eve?

Same Christian believe tells us nobody has a pure soul at birth. You remember we all carry the first sin from Adam and Eve with us from birth till death? (You better believe Islam for that. They don't believe we carry this sin with us).

I know the part of Bush was obviously. I needed to find a modern 'Hitler-Satan' figure. A person who thinks Bush 'rocks' should be born yet I guess. :) But he is good example of how it shouldn't be.

I love every human being on this planet for the qualities they have in them. I 'll never know I take the right path in my life. Nobody tells me. Nobody is going to judge me at the end of my life. Why do I do this?

How should I know what to do right or wrong? I have a soul. I have, because of my autism, the inability to lie and I can't see the right from wrong. Without guidance I am a lost person in this world. But still there are so much things that doesn't fit in religion. I can't bring myself in believing a lie.

I can't believe in something I can't see or feel. But I see the good in people. I see and feel (Yes even autistic people can feel) the good in their hearts.

So God may punish me for that. Pride it's called I guess. But I believe only in the good of people. And their souls who they direct themselves. ;)

N.Magdy said...

Please let me answer your questions Grettel (sorry Ahmed for taking too much space on your blog)

1) Yes I am Christian. Yes we were born with Adam's sin because we inherited his sinful nature (this means that we all have an inclination to do wrong things.. which noone can deny - all humans make mistakes). But this does not deny the presence of the original pure soul God created us with. To picture it for you, consider that sin like some dirt on the surface of the soul that needs washing.. that's why we have baptism to remove this dirt or sin.

2) In christianity we believe satan is a fallen angel which means he was created a righteous angel like all others, but angels too have a free mind. Satan became full of pride and wish to be equal to God, and thus fell and became evil... God does not create anything evil, and is NOT helpless to stop him. He ALLOWED for satan to continue existing to give free will to humans to choose...only the people who love God enough to act righteously would be with him in heaven in the end. I think you agree with me that those who decide to follow satan should stay with him.

3) As for why God let him talk to Adam and Eve... it is also to give them the free will to choose between good and evil... God does not choose for us or force us in a particular path. If we choose the right path, we deserve heaven... if we choose the wrong path then it's off to hell. What right do we have to go to heaven if God forced us to do the right against our own internal will??

4) If you believe there is no judgement at the end, then this means the universe is unfair and that there is no justice in the world because this would mean as you said that one does not have to be righteous as there is no eternal punishment. This is of course nonsense because justice is an EXISTING human trait that all civilizations and governments abide by, which means that there must be justice in the end to award what you call "goodness in people" and punish the opposite. Is the justice we see in everyday life also created by chance??

5) You say you can't believe something you don't see or feel.. Do you see atmospheric pressure or wind or forces between atoms or even your soul, yet you believe they exist.

6) you say you need guidance... who guides you? parents? friends? mentors? ancient philosophers? OK, who taught all these past generations, starting from the 1st man, how to guide? was it chance??

7) you say you believe only in the good of people and their souls. Where did these souls come from.. chance???

8) Lastly there are endless stories told by people whom you refer to "have been hurt in their lives or have disablilities by chance" telling of how they have been granted awards in their lives to compensate them for what they lost in life. Many have even expressed their thankfullness for having experienced hardships because it made them better people in their opinions. This is all the work of a loving God who forgets no one... not cold chance ...

My apologies for being so long and for side tracking from the objective of this blog.

N.Magdy said...

1) contd.
...we have baptism "and confession" to wash and remove one's sins.

Anonymous said...

May I Jump into this sea of deep and fruitful debates? I need you to look at life in general, us and other beings, from a different angle, and by this I mean the mystery of DEATH. If time, mud and chance have created us, who had made that second definite fact of death? If we all die at the same age and for the same reason, I’d then be puzzled. Death claim people at different ages, sometimes from the womb and meditation is worth it!. The second thing I wanted to share with you is the creation of other beings, animals, birds and plants. They, in general, share the same concept of life with us. And for this purpose, they follow almost the same rules; feed, lead and challenge. Can that shaky and metaphoric theory of Darwin, or any other, explain these 2 facts? The Quran said more than 1400 years ago: “Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe? “.
أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاء كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلا يُؤْمِنُونَ
Take your time thinking, why the speech is addressed to those who disbelieve? Are they the chosen ones to discover this fact? Definitely, they are but not then, in our time the 20th century!
1400 years ago there were no any sign of science or technology, how can you one understand the cycle of life as it displayed in so many words in the Quran?

وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الإِنسَانَ مِن سُلالَةٍ مِّن طِينٍ ، ثُمَّ جَعَلْنَاهُ نُطْفَةً فِي قَرَارٍ مَّكِينٍ ، ثُمَّ خَلَقْنَا النُّطْفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْعَلَقَةَ مُضْغَةً فَخَلَقْنَا الْمُضْغَةَ عِظَامًا فَكَسَوْنَا الْعِظَامَ لَحْمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأْنَاهُ خَلْقًا آخَرَ فَتَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحْسَنُ الْخَالِقِينَ ، ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ لَمَيِّتُونَ ، ثُمَّ إِنَّكُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ تُبْعَثُونَ

Ahmad's dad

TheSphere said...

Thanks dad for your valuable comment.

I will pass the mic for Grettel to answer.


Anonymous said...

يشرع العلماء في المنظمة الاوروبية للابحاث النووية (سيرن) اليوم الثلاثاء 30/3/2010 في محاولة جديدة لاحداث تصادم بين الجسيمات على سرعات متناهية الكبر تكاد تقترب من سرعة الضوء في محاكاة للانفجار العظيم الذي نشأ عنه الكون.

وقال رولف-ديتر هوير المدير العام لسيرن الواقعة في منطقة الحدود الفرنسية السويسرية المشتركة قرب جنيف "نحن نفتح الباب امام علم الفيزياء الجديدة ونستهل حقبة جديدة من الاكتشافات في تاريخ البشرية."

وفي وقت مبكر من يوم الثلاثاء تبدأ اضخم تجربة علمية في العالم باحداث تصادم بين حزمتي جسيمات من البروتونات تسيران في اتجاهين متقابلين في مسار بيضاوي داخل نفق طوله 27 كيلومترا في مصادم الهدرونات الكبير وبكم طاقة يصل الى 3.5 تريليون الكترون فولت لمحاكاة الظروف التي اعقبت الانفجار العظيم.

ومصادم الهدرونات الكبير هو مجمع ضخم من المغناطيسات الحلقية العملاقة والاجهزة الالكترونية المعقدة والحاسبات وتكلف انشاؤه عشرة مليارات دولار ويصل عمره الافتراضي الى 20 عاما. والالكترون فولت هي وحدة لقياس الطاقة وتعادل كمية طاقة الحركة التي يكتسبها الكترون وحيد حر الحركة عند تسريعه بواسطة جهد كهربائي ساكن قيمته واحد فولت في الفراغ.

وحين تحطم الجسيمات بعضها البعض فان كل تصادم يحدث انفجارا سيمكن الاف العلماء في شتى ارجاء الارض من المشاركين في مشروع المختبر الاوروبي لفيزياء الجسيمات من رصد وتحليل ما حدث خلال فترة متناهية الصغر من الزمن اعقبت حدوث الانفجار العظيم الذي وقع قبل 13.7 مليار عام.

وكانت سيرن اعادت تشغيل المصادم في نوفمبر تشرين الثاني من العام الماضي في اعقاب اغلاقه تسعة ايام. ودشنت الاختبارات في المصادم في سبتمبر ايلول من عام 2008 لكنها توقفت فترة اثر مشاكل تتعلق بزيادة درجات الحرارة الناجمة عن تعطل موصلات ضخمة متصلة بمغناطيسين لتبريد قلب المصادم. ويأمل العلماء في ان تميط هذه التجربة العملاقة اللثام عن طلاسم كونية منها منشأ النجوم والكواكب وماهية المادة المعتمة غير المرئية.

والمادة المعتمة في علم الفيزياء الفلكية تعبير أطلق علي مادة افتراضية لا يمكن قياسها الا من خلال تأثيرات الجاذبية الخاصة بها والتي بدونها لا تستقيم حسابيا العديد من نماذج تفسير الانفجار العظيم وحركة المجرات. ويرجح انها تشكل حوالي 25 في المئة من مادة الكون الكلية فيما تمثل الطاقة المعتمة - التي يعتقد أنها مسؤولة عن اتساع الكون واستمرار حركته - حوالي 70 في المئة من كتلة الكون.

والمادة المعتمة غير معروفة من حيث التكوين والطبيعة ولايمكن رصدها لانها لا تعكس الضوء أو أي موجات كهرومغناطيسية ويعتقد انها تتكون من جسيمات لايمكن قياسها بالامكانات العلمية الحالية أو أنها تقع في أبعاد أخرى غير الابعاد الاربعة المعروفة في الفيزياء الكلاسيكية وهي الطول والعرض والارتفاع والزمن.

وعلى مدى السنوات وتحديدا عام 2013 عندما يصل كم طاقة الجسيمات المتصادمة خلال التجارب داخل المصادم الى 7 و14 تريليون الكترون فولت سيشهد المصادم مليارات التصادمات التي ستطرح كما هائلا من البيانات عن ملابسات الانفجار العظيم وما تلاه من احداث.

وقال ستيف مايرز مدير المعجلات والتكنولوجيا في سيرن "ان رصد حركة الجسيمات وتجميعها هو تحد في حد ذاته. انه يماثل اطلاق ابر عبر المحيط الاطلسي ثم التحكم في تصادمها بمقدمتها في منتصف المسافة." ويخضع الكم الهائل من المعلومات الناجمة عن التصادمات لعمليات معالجة الكترونية ثم التحقق من النتائج المرة تلو الاخرى الامر الذي يعني ان امام سيرن الشهور والسنوات قبل ان يعلن اكتشافات مهمة ومؤكدة.

ويركز العلماء في تجاربهم المستفيضة على التعرف على كيفية نشوء المادة وما يعرف بضديد المادة وما اذا كان هناك وجود لما يعرف نظريا باسم بوزون هيجز وهو جسيم افتراضي قال عالم الفيزياء الاسكتلندي بيتر هيجز قبل ثلاثة عقود من الزمن انه يساعد على التحام المكونات الاولية للمادة ويعطيها تماسكها وكتلتها.

وقد اخفقت جميع المحاولات السابقة في فك شفرة جسيم بوزون الذي يعتقد انه اسهم في تكون النجوم والكواكب والمجرات من مخلفات المواد المنشطرة من الانفجارات ومن ثم نشأة الحياة على كوكب الارض وربما في عوالم اخرى مجهولة.
Ahmad, please try to translate. Did I tell you that I am very proud of you?

Grettel- said...
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Grettel- said...

I was just reading a book and stumbled on this one.

"Chance is God's pseudonym when he refuses to sign"

- Anatole France (1844-1924)

Grettel- said...

Owke answering time. :)

Ms Noha. I don't think Ahmad minds we speak up all his blog space. :) And I don’t think he mind us speaking besides the question.

1. Yes all humans make mistakes. I know I do a lot. But I learned from our friend Ahmad as long as you repent, it's not too bad. And believe me. I do this a lot.

And hey. I never have been Baptist, never renewed our promise to God at age of 6 and 12 as the habit is here and never did any confession.

The discussions of the unborn children or children who died before baptism. So sad. How parents in grief couldn’t even burry their children in sacred ground.

I like more the idea of Islam like I said. : ) All children are born as Muslim a Imam told me once. Much more safe idea.

Btw. Someone nice told me some time ago it wasn’t even Jesus on the cross during crucifixion. So it doesn’t even matter that baptism and confession clears our souls. : )

2. God created ALL but evil then? How strange. I also read some things on this believe in Iraq. Cause I have some friends there. Yazidi worships the devil same as God. I am not able to tell where they will go after dead.

But to be honest. The things I read about them scare me. So maybe they are not a good example.

3. The right path in Christian church. Yes even our priests are not afraid of doing the wrong things. Why should we?

4. Yes this is my point exactly! The universe isn’t fair. We have like governments who must keep our save from disorder and bad people and things that aren’t good for us. Yeah right. Come on. Not so long ago closed the government in Cairo their eyes for a scandal that have seen the world. Steeling organs of children who live there on the streets. First, what are children doing on the streets? Second, why did the ow so justice like government close their eyes for what happened? Justice?

If there was someone judging in the end. Why do people do this then?

And who will make this right again? Yes again people. :D

Grettel- said...

5. You can feel pressure and wind. I can’t see the forces between atoms but scientists can see.

And yes the soul. The one thing I can’t see nor feel. But that does exists. Yeah I can’t explain all. : ) But I don’t feel the urge to explain all.

6. I need guidance. Yes. And this was my problem. Nobody did guide me. I am just lucky to have found someone who does now.

The first man was guided by his fellowman. Humans are like a herd. Social animals who guide each other. It’s an instinct that we lost the last ages. And in a time where everybody needs more guidance, all humans close in on their own and forget about the rest of the world. Not chance no.

7. Souls come from chance yes. From the things that happen with you as a child and human being. Hey I am teacher for children with special needs as I told you. These young people make you see the world different. The real life isn’t tutoring students in evening course at the university. The real life is all the little things that influence our lives and souls. We humans can’t see anymore the influence the little things have on us. But looking at my children I realize this back again. The creating of the soul is made by little things. Things that are left to chance. A hug by someone who cares about you. A smile when you feel bad. Someone who tells you you did good even if you sucked in what you were doing. Someone who will believe in you and will love without a doubt.

8. Ah but my children don’t even realize there is something wrong with them. : ) Cause there isn’t. They are just different. And I love them.

I see them smile and live their lives as they do. But I also see them cry and worry and suffer when they realize one day they can never reach what they want. Their mind will never be older than 8 years old. And this are my smart kids. Most of them will never get the mental age of 6 years old. Chance. Genetics. Surroundings. Yes everything can have something to do with this. But no God ever can be this cruel.

You can talk to people who overcome their disabilities. Yes you can talk. My children very often can’t even talk. Can’t express a feeling that is isolated in their body or mind. They want to scream out that people would understand. But nobody will ever do.

And the only thing we can do is try to understand them as much as possible. It’s not like this children are like the Hunchback Of Notre Dame. No this children are captured in themselves.

Chance… Yes. Things that happen in our lives. Imagine you would get a child who will never get a mental age more than a baby of 6 months old. Tell me. You go thank your God for this? If you will. Well, you ‘re a strong woman.

Grettel- said...

9. Mr Ahmad’s dad. You didn’t learn how there come like little people and animals. Well you know. If a man and a woman love each other. And they get married. … : ) Then it’s possible certain things happen. As with animals.

Ah and the age of death is made by chance. My father died this January. At age of 52. Imagine. Luckily we don’t die all at this age. Death has no rules. Things happen. Things hurt. Other things make you happy. It’s all so subjective.

Darwin wasn’t right. We know this as a fact. But he wasn’t wrong either.

I am not going to debate about the text in the Quran anymore. And to admit. I don’t understand where you are going with these words. English is not my native language nor my second language. Sometimes I have difficulties understanding your words Ahmad’s father. And I don’t want to say stupid things as answer.

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